Transcript Show one Muslim country where Hindus are extended the special

Are you a
Secularist?
(The above presentation has been in repeated
circulation. I modified same with my observations
in brackets. The person in the left was described
by the right as secularist. If any of them is a
secularist, I am not a secularist!)
Then please answer these questions for
yourself
(This statement is a psychological trap. It presumes I said “ I am a
secularist” to the first question. Why answer myself? I wish to tell my
answers to all. Let everyone realize the facts here in)
There are nearly 52 Muslim
countries.
(only 24 countries declared as Islamic states not 52!)
Show one Muslim country
which provides Haj subsidy.
(Unfortunately Govt got into the trap in 1970 in a hurry to
protect sudden increase in fares due to rise in oil price and is
unable to get out in view of losing popularity. I wish NDA should
have reversed it!)
Show one Muslim country where
Hindus are extended the special
rights that Muslims are accorded in
India?
(Why secular country be compared with any Muslim country? Why do you
want Hindus be given privileges in any Muslim country? Remember they
don’t give any privilege even to Indian Muslims. In fact Shi’as and Sunnis
do not give any respect or privileges to each others. Hindus have their own
character and Hinduism preaches non-aggression and tolerance. Let us not
learn from Muslims what we Hindus should be. Lest we may become
Muslims! Be a Hindu and be proud of being Hindu. Always copy / learn
from better people not from the worst.
The social and financial status of Indians (migrated Hindus) in other
countries is not comparable to Indian born Muslims. Do not compare with
Pakistan . It is a failed country. Pakistan cannot be a guide to our path. )
Show one country where
the 85% majority craves
for the indulgence of the
15% minority.
(Things would have been different if 85% crave for 15%. But good
lot of Hindus are divided by some Hindu fundamentalist parties.
Thus forcing every other group to woo 15% to their side.
Advantage Muslims! Hence they get better deal here than those in
Islamic Pakistan!!! When will Hindu fundamentalist realize and
get out of this self made trap?)
Show one Muslim country,
which has a Non-Muslim as its
President or Prime Minister.
(What will we gain out of that? Show me one country that has 15%
Hindu native population. We are talking as if we elected an Imam as
President . Can you tell one reason why we never elected a Muslim as
Prime Minister?
There is one exception where a Hindu fundamentalist party in power
wanted to woo Muslims by selecting a Muslim as President!)
Show one Mullah or Maulvi
who has declared a 'fatwa'
against terrorists.
( Yes we can’t find. They didn’t do it even in Pakistan when their people
were killed. May be they are afraid that they would be first targeted by
terrorists! Mullahs know very well that terrorist have no religion except
they use the name of religion and also they have no respect or soft corner
to Mullahs.)
Hindu-majority Maharashtra,
Bihar, Kerala, Pondicherry , etc.
have in the past elected Muslims
as CM’s, …..
Can you ever imagine a Hindu
becoming the CM of Muslim majority J&K?
( You are quoting past in four states. We have elected Muslims as CMs not
because of their religion. They were democratic choice. If not we should have
15% Muslim CMs at any given time. Why quote only handful of states? Why
other states did not elect Muslims as their CMs at least one in 60 years? Is it
because of Hindu prejudice? Nope! Democracy did not produce a Muslim CM
in the remaining states. Finally what do you suggest? Should we ask for
Hindu CM in J&K or should we bar Muslim as CM in other states?)
In 1947, when India was partitioned, the Hindu
population in Pakistan was about 24%
….Today it is not even 1%.
In 1947, the Hindu population in East Pakistan
(now Bangladesh) was 30% …. Today it is about
7%.
What happened to the missing Hindus?
Do Hindus have human rights?
(About 7 million Hindus migrated to India and 7 million Muslims migrated to
Pakistan. They drove Hindus and we drove Muslims! That means almost all
Hindus returned. The left over now is less than 1%. Then whom are you
referring as missing Hindus. Just after partition , there were attacks on
Hindus. Some Hindu patriot must have stayed back and protected Hindus
there. When all were running away by carts and trains sri Advani, RSS
leader in Karachi, took flight to India! )
In contrast, in India, Muslim population
has gone up from 10.4% in 1951 to about
14% today;
…whereas Hindu population has come
down from 87.2% in 1951 to 85% in 1991.
Do you still think that Hindus are
fundamentalists?
(Worthy point. Yet this increase is in 60 years does not warrant any panic.
This happened because of birth control policy. This control was exercised
by educated without much of religious bias. Most Muslims are uneducated
and hence live in poverty! I have seen many educated Muslims going for
birth control. Solution to this problem is making FP compulsory as done
in China. Muslims may not agree but will all Hindus agree? I wonder why
NDA did not try this. They have been highly vocal on this FP policy.)
In India today Hindus are 85%. If
Hindus are intolerant, how come
Masjids and madrasas are thriving?
How come Muslims are offering
Namaz on the road?
How come Muslims are proclaiming
5 times a day on loud speakers that
there is no God except Allah?
(None will say Hindus are intolerant. They are most tolerant and most peace
loving. This does not mean Nathuram Godse and followers of his philosophy are
not Hindus. It does not say higher cast people who are doing atrocities on lower
cast are not Hindus. Can anyone say Naxalites are not Hindus? There are
always exceptions. We should admit that we have intolerants and also terrorists
among us. There are many Hindu temples still in Pakistan. Let us not trigger
them to demolish those too.)
When Hindus gave to Muslims 30%
of Bharat for a song, why should
Hindus now beg for their sacred
places at Ayodhya, Mathura And
Kashi?
(who gave what to whom? Please note 30% of Bharat got separated.
Hindus did not own it. It belonged to the natives of that area!
And whom are you begging for Ayodhya, Mathura and Kashi? You want
to reverse the history! Did Muslims object for renovation of Somanath
temple? Let us not join hands with those who want to drive a wedge for
vote catching. Did you not notice that our PM who silently got Masjid
demolished was dragged down by the Hindu fundamentalists ?
Why Gandhiji objected to the decision
of the cabinet and insisted that
Somnath Temple should be
reconstructed out of public fund, not
government funds. When in January
1948 he pressurized Nehru and Patel to
carry on renovation of the Mosques of
Delhi at government expenses?
(Until plebiscite in Feb 1948 Junaghad was not part of India. I wonder how
Gandhiji who died in January is dragged in to this controversy. Was such a
decision taken at all by Nehru’s cabinet to reconstruct with public funds? In
1948 Gandhiji asked to remove the scars made by (tolerant and peace loving )
Hindus during partition riots. It was a penalty to Government for its inability
to protect. But Somnath temple was defaced by a uncultured Muslim invaders
in history. Does anybody know why Somnath temple issue came up suddenly
after several centuries. Why it was not reconstructed till 1948, when
Swaminarayan Mandir could be built in Junagadh in 1828)
Why Gandhi supported Khilafat
Movement (nothing to do with our
freedom movement) and what in turn
he got?
(By supporting Khilafat Movement, Congress won the hearts of one sect of
Muslims and they happily joined freedom struggle. Muslim league
dominated by other sect did not join hands in Khilafat Movement and
preferred to be a puppet in the hands of British Raj. And please note
neither Muslims got anything nor Hindus lost anything in Khilafat
Movement because of Gandhiji’s support. Whereas Hindu fundamentalists
are trying to gain by exploiting this issue )
If Muslims & Christians are
minorities in Maharashtra, UP,
Bihar etc., are Hindus not minorities
in J&K, Mizoram, Nagaland,
Arunachal Pradesh, Meghalaya etc?
Why are Hindus denied minority
rights in these states?
(I really don’t get head or tail of this argument. If you start listing
minorities state-wise soon demand will get down to village-wise in the
above states where Hindus are in minority!)
When Haj pilgrims are given
subsidy, why Hindu pilgrims to
Amarnath, Sabarimalai & Kailash
Mansarovar are taxed?
(Please note pilgrims to Manasa Sarover do get subsidy. Strictly speaking
Hindus should get such a subsidy not only to these four places but also to
other many pilgrim centers in India and abroad. And also should extend
this subsidy to Sikhs to Nanakram in Pakistan, Christians to Vatican etc.
I wonder, will such action justify subsidy to Haj pilgrims! Few Hindus
understand the extent to which the state underwrites the practice of their
faith. The case of the Maha Kumbh Mela, Haridwar, Allahabad, Ujjain and
Nashik, is a case in point. The 2001 Mela in Allahabad, State spent over
Rs.1.2 billion — 12,000 taps that supplied 50.4 million litres of drinking
water; 450 kilometres of electric lines and 15,000 streetlights; 70,000
toilets; 7,100 sanitation workers, 11 post offices and 3,000 phone lines;
4,000 buses and trains. Regarding taxation, answer lies in knowing why
pilgrims to Tirupathi, Varanasi etc are not taxed.)
When Christian and Muslim schools
can teach Bible and Quran,
…. Why Hindus cannot teach Gita
or Ramayan in our schools?
(There is no bar on such teachings in Hindu schools. In fact there are
several schools doing that. ‘Our schools’ I suppose you mean government
schools or government curriculum. Bible, Quran and Gita are not to be on
state curriculum. I wonder what it would be, if state starts giving Gita
Bhashyam! This would be another version to be added to available
different versions of Gita Bhashyam. Let Gita have its sanctity.)
Do you admit that Hindus do have
problems that need to be recognized?
Or do you think that those who call
themselves Hindus are themselves
The problem?
(Everyone has problems. Hindus can’t be an exception! Not only they
should be recognized they should also be addressed.
However the major problem is with those who claim to be sole
representatives of Hindus. Shankarachryas, Jeeyer swamys etc who read
and understood vedas are pushed aside by pseudo Hindus & political
leaders with no knowledge of vedas are the problems.)
Why post - Godhra is blown out of
proportion, when no-one talks of the
ethnic cleansing of 4 lakh Hindus
from Kashmir?
(Ethnic cleansing is issue of Jihadi terrorists. None gains anything by
blowing it out of proportion. Kashmir is an issue of geography, history,
religion and political. Whereas post-Godhra is a state sponsored political
issue targeting one religious group for improving vote bank eying for PM
chair. No issue ever in this country can be comparable to that of Kashmir.)
Do you consider that - Sanskrit is communal and
Urdu is secular, Mandir is Communal and Masjid is
Secular, Sadhu is Communal and Imam is secular,
BJP is communal and Muslim league is Secular,
Dr.Praveen Bhai
Togadia is ANTI-NATIONAL and Bhukari is
Secular, VandeMatharam is communal and Allah-OAkbar is secular, Shriman is communal and Mian is
secular, Hinduism is Communal and Islam is
Secular, Hindutva is
communal and Jihadism is secular, and at last,
Bharat is communal and Italy is Secular?
(None says so. Why this question? Why use Bharat (BJP) and Italy (Sonia’s congress party in
the last paragraph?).)
Why Temple funds are spent for the
welfare of Muslims and Christians,
when they are free to spend their
money in any way they like?
(Although no such direct spending is quotable, Government control on
temples is objectionable. Yet I find even the Hindu fundamentalists when
got power in center or states did not de-link Temple properties from
Government’s controls. Do you know why NDA at centre or BJP in states
did not do so? BJP does not propose this even in their manifesto!
What happened to Ram Mandir donations?)
When uniform is made compulsory
for school children, why there is no
Uniform Civil Code for citizens?
(Is there any connection to school uniform and Uniform Civil Code? Do
you want to drop demand for Uniform Civil code if uniform is removed in
schools! Uniform Civil Code is a must for creating homogeneous society. I
wonder will Uniform Civil Code create a homogeneous society in our
heterogeneous society or should we find a way of living with it. If
Uniform Civil Code is thrust, we may find many partitions in our country.
Muslims may not be the only obstructers of this Uniform Civil Code.
Think why Hindu fundamentalists did not talk about this when in power.
By saying Uniform civil code are we saying imposing Hindu code on all?
If not tell me which civil codes will be picked up from Islam? Instead of
UCC, it would be better to ask Hindus to opt for Hindu law , if there is
any and Muslims to opt for Muslim law , that prescribes lashing in
public, amputation etc.)
In what way, J&K is different from
Maharashtra, TamilNadu or
UttarPradesh, to have Article 370?
(Is J&K comparable to other states? To know this we need to know why we have
special rules in tribal areas. We agreed to allow formation of Pakistan with
Majority Muslim areas. As J&K was a princely state not directly under British
Raj we had to give some concessions to Muslim majority J&K. This is applicable
to Hindus of J&K also. We threw Indira Gandhi out of power without considering
she diluted / nullified Article 370. Remember instead of scrapping this during their
NDA government, Hindu fundamentalists have wooed Muslims by running bus
service for Kashmiri Muslims to travel to Pakistan and Pakistani Terrorists to
India. And they took pride that their PM travelled by first bus!)
Abdul Rehman Antuley was made a
trustee of the famous Siddhi Vinayak
Temple in Prabhadevi, Mumbai
….Can a Hindu - say Mulayam or
Laloo – ever become a trustee of a
Masjid or Madrasa?
(Did Muslims thrust him on Hindus? That shows how much Antuley won
the hearts of Hindus. You can not rule out the possibility of Mulayam or
some one else to take such a post, provided they don’t mind to have the ire
of Hindus.)
Dr. Praveen bhai Togadia has been
arrested many times on flimsy
grounds.
Has the Shahi Imam of Jama Masjid,
Delhi, Ahmed Bhukari been arrested
for claiming to be an ISI agent and
advocating partition of Bharat?
(Who claims what ‘he is’ is not important. Whereas ‘what they are’ is
important. Some will cause riots when jailed and some will cause riots when
not jailed. That decides who should be arrested. Are we innocent enough not
to understand why Bhukari claimed himself as ISI agent? Collect some proofs,
not his statement, and lodge a complaint in Delhi police station and see
results.)
A Muslim President, A Hindu Prime
Minister and a Christian Defence
Minister run the affairs of the nation
with a unity of purpose.
(If congress does it, it is called as wooing of minority votes. If BJP does it, it is on unity
purpose. Both do it to grab power and to retain power. What else is the reason for selecting a
Christian for vital defence by BJP lead NDA? Why even before disproving the Kargil
allegations this Christian Defence Minister was reinstated by our Hindu fundamentalists!
Same Hindu fundamentalists selected a Muslim to be our President. Do you believe that he
was treated as representative of Muslims of this country?)
Can this happen anywhere, except in
a HINDU NATION - BHARATH?
JAI HIND !!!
(Yes this can happen, not in a Hindu Nation, but in this country. And it happens
not because of Muslims or Christians but because of dubious and divisive behavior
of Hindu fundamentalists.)
Please forward it to as many Indians
as possible.
(I wish this reply too to be forwarded)
"Hinduism is not a religion it is a
way of life.
-Swami Vivekananda
(Yet our Hindu fundamentalist call it a religion and compare it with other
religions!)
This is not prepared by/for any
political party/group
(shoulder searching!)
… these are the observations &
the thoughts of
a Citizen Of India
(at last after so much of hard work why lie like this? Is this not
dubious behavior of Hindu fundamentalists?
There are a lot more issues in this country that call our
attention then why spread this religious hatred!)
What is said in it?
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Under the banner ‘pseudo secularism’ this is
being circulated for the past 5 years or more.
It drives you to feel that things are bad on
Hinduism front in our country.
All the matter put herein is false or half truth.
Circulation of this will spoil our minds.
They want UPA to do what NDA did not
attempt.
My analysis on situation:
Nazi took Germany into their hands by slogan ‘return of
German pride’ and ‘supremacy of Aryans’. The country
was ruined as Hitler was keen to have more countries
under his flag. Its pride did not return but enemy
returned.
 Russia was taken over by Communists by the slogan
‘equal rights & socialism’. The leaders were keen to
spread communism to other countries. Life of people did
not improve but poverty was equally distributed. The
union broke up.
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The situation…
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Muslim League propagated that partition as freedom
from Hindus. They got Pakistan but the people there lost
everything including freedom.
Mao brought communist revolution to improve lives of
peasants and workers in China deposits its money in US
and makes goods for the comforts of Americans.
Peasants lost their lands to US companies in China and
workers became slaves in them.
Islamists, talk of Jihad on Christians and Hindus, keep
collecting money and ammunition. Now they kill their
own men.
The situation…
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was it possible for those leaders
to drag people to wrong side?
 Did they have majority with them?
 Not really! Only a few stupid and
hardcore fundamentalists got attracted
to the emotional slogans and
supported them.
 The remaining majority were silently
watching.
The result
In all those cases control went
into the hands of fascist /
fundamentalists / communists
etc., who never cared people
and never respected public
interests.
Conclusion
Never be a silent spectator. Be careful
while reading or listening not to get carried
away by what is communicated.
Study
Analyze
Discuss
Understand
Act judicially.