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NIR Meeting
Feb 2004
JPNIC Open Policy Meeting
Update
Izumi Okutani
JPNIC IP Department
[email protected]
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Contents
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Policy Making in JP
Discussions at JP-OPM
Discussions on the ML
Summary
Future considerations
Next Meeting
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Introduction
This presentation introduces discussions and
issues in 5th JPNIC Open Policy Meeting
and our policy mailing list
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Policy Making in JP
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How it works with AP-OPM
Proposals from the JP Community Proposals from the AP Community
3. AP consensus
1. AP consensus
AP-OPM
2. proposal
JP-OPM
1.JP consensus
4. report
5. AP re-consensus
AP-OPM
2. report
4. counter-proposal
JP-OPM
3.JP consensus
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The Current
Policy Making Process in JP
JP Community
JPNIC
JPNIC Secretariat
IP Committee
Proposal
Consensus
Review
Policy Advisory Council
CFP
JP-OPM
Online
Discussions
ip-users ML
Approval
JPNIC Board
Implementation
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JPNIC Open Policy Meetings
• Held 2/year,70 attendees/average
• Attendees
– Mostly ISPs, but also academic institutions, IT product
vendors, etc
• Registration
– open to anyone, free of charge
• Session:
– Address Policy SIG
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JPNIC Open Policy Meeting 5
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JPNIC 5
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Date: 5th Dec 2004 9:30-14:30(lunch 1hr)
Place: Pacifico Yokohama, Japan
Attendees: 105
Presentations:
– Information :5
– Proposal: 1
• Consensus
– Revision of the JPNIC documents based on APNIC
policy changes
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Discussions at JP-OPM
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JPNIC5 Agenda
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JPNIC Update
APNIC Open Policy Meeting Issues
Lame Delegations Report
Starting an Agent Service: Portable Assignments
for Small Multi-homed Networks
5. IPv6 Policy Planning Team Update
6. RIRs & NIRs Update
7. Revision of the JPNIC Policy Document(*)
(*) = Proposal
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Major Discussions Topics
• Privacy of customer assignment records
• The change of Minimum Allocation size
• Replacing end user’s admin-c by LIR’s
contact
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Privacy of
Customer Assignment Records
• Introduced the consensus in AP
• JPNIC proposed an alternative protection
method
• JPNIC partially protects whois private info
already
• All assignment records are publicly
accessible, but necessary care will be taken
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Comments on Privacy of
Customer Assignment Records(I)
• Needs of privacy protection
– No clear consensus
– End-users should bear the equal responsibility?
• The role of whois database
– Restricted to contact information directory?…Or More?
• Responsibility of LIRs
– How far should LIRs take the responsibility?
– Restricted to contacts? …Or more?
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Comments on Privacy of
Customer Assignment
Records(II)
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• Request for co-ordination with APNIC to
protect information disclosed in APNIC
whois
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Outcome
• No clear consensus
• Continue discussions on the ML
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The Change of
Minimum Allocation Size
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Introduced the idea without specifying size
nor criteria
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Commnets on the Change of
Minimum Allocation Size
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• Support the idea of lowering the barrier, but
should ensure the CIDR structure
• Should not encourage end user networks
without technical reasons to receive
allocations
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Comments on the Change of
Minimum Allocation Size
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• Alternative suggestions:
– lowering the criteria but keeping the allocation
size unchanged(/20)
– Apply multi-homing criteria instead of criteria
based on address size
• Distinction between portable assignments
and allocations must be clarified
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Outcome
Support the idea, but more discussions
necessary about the method
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Replacing admin-c
with LIR’s Contact
• Already implemented in operations
• Documented in the APNIC policy
• Proposed to describe it in the JPNIC policy
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Outcome
• Consensus reached at the meeting for a
consistent policy with APNIC
However….
• Further discussions took place on the ML
• Received comments against the proposal
from some LIRs outside the ML
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Other Discussions
• Applying AD-ratio in IPv4 allocations
– Utilization should be evaluated for each POP
instead of applying AD-ratio in IPv4
• Lame delegation checks
– JPNIC should provide info about lame servers
– JPNIC secretariat will consider a specific
implementation method
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Summary of the meeting
• 4 hours was too short
• Queue at microphones!
New
• Introducing proposals before the AP
consensus
• Questionnaire showed interests in making
proposals
New
• Held on the same day as LIR Meeting to
encourage LIR participation
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Discussions on ip-users ML
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Discussion Topics on the ML
• Replacing admin-c by LIR’s contact
• APNIC17 proposals
• The consensus process in JP
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Replacing admin-c
by LIR’s Contact
• End users should bare the equal responsibility
• Changes the definition of admin-c if restricting its
role as contacts
• The responsibility of LIRs is ambiguous
– Merely act as a contact?
– Makes decision about cutting connections/other actions
for abuse complaints?
– The implications on legal responsibilities?
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Outcome
• JPNIC suspended the implementation
• JPNIC will re-define admin-c and make a
proposal at the next JP-OPM
– Clearly describe that admin-c merely serves as
a contact
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APNIC17 proposals
• Translated policy proposals on the SIG ML
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Lowering minimum allocation size & criteria
IPv6 allocations to closed networks
IPv6 address for IPv4 networks
Recovery of unused historical resources
• No comments so far
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Definition of the
consensus process
• No defined process for the meeting consensus 
ML discussions
– e.g) discussions on replacing admin-c
– No timeframe defined for comments, implementation
• Co-ordination with LIRs
– Some LIRs feel:
• JPNIC should discuss policies with LIRs seperately
• More comfortable to comment individually, not on the ML
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Definition of the
consensus process
The secretariat holds a working group meeting
in March to discuss this issue
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Summary
• The first meeting to introduce AP proposals in
advance
• Many non-JPNIC participants spoke out at the
meeting
• Fundamental issues were raised
– the policy development process
– co-ordination with LIR meetings
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Future Considerations
• Define Policy Development Process
– Distinction between JP-OPM &LIR Meetings
• Encourage active participation
– More proposals from the community
– Encourage more LIR participation
– Activate the ML
• Introduce AP proposals at JP-OPM in advance
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Future model with AP-OPM
Proposals from the JP Community Proposals from the AP Community
3. AP consensus
1. proposal
AP-OPM
2. proposal
JP-OPM
1.JP consensus
4. report
5.AP consensus
AP-OPM
2. report
4.feedback
JP-OPM
3.JP consensus
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Next JP-OPM
• Summer 2004
– Specific date to be fixed around April
• APNIC and NIR staff are welcome to attend
our meeting!
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Thank You!
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