Transcript REPUBLIC BY PLATO BOOK X

REPUBLIC BY PLATO
BOOK X
PLATO’S ARGUMENT AGAINST
POETRY
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Earlier in “Republic” Socrates mentioned that certain kinds of music
and poetry should be banned from the curriculum of study for the future
rulers of the state.
Because some art is not morally uplifting,hence perhaps bad for
children,here Socrates considerably broadened his attack on visual &
dramatic arts
THE ARGUMENT
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He starts out by trying to come at a definition.
He says that “Artists are said to create things.They are therefore known
as creative artists.
EXAMPLE
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Lets take an example of something an artist produces e-g a bed.
When a painter paints a picture of a bed,we agree that it is not a real
bed.
The artist has probably seen a bed built by a carpenter and copied his
picture.
THEORY OF FORM
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The bed which was built by the craftsman and on which we sit and rest
is not the “real bed” either.
The true real bed is the form of the bed.
Only the forms are real;the bed is the copy of the form and the paiting
is the copy of that copy.An image of an image.
POETS & DRAMATISTS
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What is true for the painter is true for the poets & the dramatists as they
also paint pictures with their words “creating” what we call images.
So when they pretend to be authorities on morality religion nature
and all sorts of truth that is all simply but pretense.
PHILOSOPHERS & FORMS
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Philosophers know the form & Goodness itself.Artists do not know the
truth.
ART IS THRICE REMOVED FROM
REALITY
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Take an example of a birdle.
The craftsman who made it,has better knowledge of it than the painter
who paints it.
The man who is to use this birdle and the one who has ordered it and
knows how he wants it,knows a little bit more about the birdle than the
craftsman.
But the real birdle is the “form of the Birdle”.
The painting made would be thrice removed from reality i-e it would be
an immitation of an immitation.
ILLUSIONARY NATURE OF VISUAL
ARTS
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We are surrounded by superious info and illusionary experience.
Only an experience in reason can correct it.
What is wrong with arts is that it deals with things illusory.
Art depends on illusion to achieve desired end.
Any illusion is contradictory to man’s best virtue Reason.
ILLUSIONARY NATURE OF POETRY
AND DRAMA
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The same can be said about poets and dramatists.
They create language to create unstable,tragic and comic characters of
men and women.
People who are driven by their emotions and desires.
People who lack reason.
It is true that some drama & poetry is exciting but the excitement it
provokes is irrational.
ILLUSIONARY NATURE OF POETRY
AND DRAMA
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Socrates believe that men in dramatic presentation act like homer or
buffens.
We are deluded to sympathize with the artifice of the stage which is
bad for our character.
ANALYSIS
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This debate that Socrates started is continuing till present.
Many societies have been formed advocating censorship of the arts
because
- either they give wrong message to citizens whose reasoning power
is weak.
- or they manifest themes that are morally corruptive.
CRITICISM ON PLATO’S THEORY
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A totally opposite view is adopted by various schools of criticism who
maintain that
- art is apolitical.
- essentially amoral.
- should not be under any censorship.
CRITICISM ON PLATO’S THEORY
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Plato is not handing out aesthetic criticism as is said and he is not in
favour of stripping away all the entertainments from the state.
What Plato is refuting is the popular claim of his day and in ours that
poets are good moral teachers.
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Socrates make fun of theatre goers and actors with a certain degree of
contempt.
Aeschylu’s portryal of Agememon.
Homer.
IMMORALITY OF SOUL
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Socrates says that rewards of justice are granted to the just after their
moral life is over.
The interlocutor is shocked that Socrates believe in immortal soul to
which he answers that he can prove it.
SOCRATES’ PROOF ABOUT
IMMORTALITY OF SOUL
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There are all sorts of illness that can and do attack a body bring about
its demise.
Every material falls prey to its unique evil.
Wood rots,iron rusts,body dies.
PECULIAR EVIL OF THE SOUL
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Just like every other material thing all the soul’s peculiar evil is
“injustice”.
But the souls of unjust men are not destroyed by injustice and neither
are the souls of just men.
So if things can be destroyed by their particular evil and the soul cannot
be destroyed by its particular evil then the soul must be immortal.
ENTHYMEMES
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If-then argument
A=B & B=C
then
A=C.
Reaches Sorites.
CRITICISM ON PLATO’S THEORY OF
IMMORTALITY
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Just because soul cannot be destroyed by injustice does not prove that
soul is immortal.
Socrates may believe that soul is immortal we may believe that the soul
maybe immortal but we and Socrates do not
THE JUST LIFE IS THE LIFE TO BE
LIVED
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The just life is the only life to be lived because the just would be
rewarded in the after world and the unjust would be punished.
CRITICISM
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To prove his logic Plato has to give authority to the myth of Er.
He had to embrace the myth of reincarnation.
Plato believes every man hold the reins of his fate.A bad man chooses
to be bad.
The question arises here Why.
This choice is made because of amathia(ignorance)
Unexamined life is not worth living.