Transcript Plato

427-347 BC
Updated, 10/3/07
The Republic is one of Plato’s
longer works
(more than 450 pages in length).
It is written in dialogue form
(as are most of Plato’s books),
& it addresses major issues in almost all of
the branches of philosophy.
The central theme in the book seems to be
the nature of justice, a topic in political
philosophy, but Plato also has his
characters explore issues in

philosophical cosmology,
 philosophical theology,
 philosophical anthropology,
ethics,
aesthetics, and
epistemology.
The parts of the Republic that are
contained in our text
(pp. 107-123)
focus on Plato’s idea (ideal?) of the
Philosopher Ruler.
According to Plato,
 the
best possible political system (state)
 will be ruled (governed)
 by PHILOSOPHERS!
(Is he kidding?)
Our reading selection contains the
following themes/sections:
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Introduction on the unifying of philosophy & politics (107)
Why "true philosophers" would make the best rulers (108-12)
• What is "true philosophy"? (108-11)
• Love of wisdom (108)
• Knowledge of true reality (108-9)
• The distinctions between knowledge, ignorance and opinion (109-11)
• How is a "true philosopher" different from a "lover of opinion"? (111-12)
• Who is best suited to rule the state – lovers of opinion or "true
philosophers"? (112)
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Political leadership and knowledge of the Good (112-13)
The ascent of the mind to knowledge of the Good (113-123)
• The analogy between the Good and the sun (113-15)
• The image of the divided line (115-18)
• The allegory of the cave (118-123)
The selection in the text begins at a
point in the Republic after Socrates,
Glaucon, & other characters have
been discussing the nature of justice
and the marks of a just political
system for some time.
So we are coming into the middle of the conversation where
Glaucon is pressing Socrates to state whether it is possible
for a really just political system to come into existence.
Before answering Glaucon’s question,
Socrates wonders whether it is worthwhile to
What does he say
construct a theoretical model of a good
political system even if such a system could about this? Do
you agree? Why
not actually exist.
or why not?
Back to Glaucon’s original question:
Can a really just (or at least
approximately just) political system
exist? What would make it possible?
(It is the separation of
philosophy & political
power.)
And this leads to . . . .
unless political power &
philosophy are brought together
& those who now pursue either
the one or the other exclusively
are prevented from doing so -neither our political problems
nor our human troubles in
general can be ended . . . . ”
(Text, pp. 108-111)
True Philosophy & True Philosophers
What are the characteristics of a
person who is naturally suited to
practice philosophy?
According to Socrates (Plato), a
true philosopher
 loves
the whole of wisdom and is satisfied
with nothing less;
 recognizes the difference between particular
things and the essences (or forms) of which
particular things are likenesses (e.g.,
beautiful things vs. Beauty itself); and
 knows the differences between knowledge,
ignorance, and opinion.
Plato argues that
someone who really loves something must
love that thing as a whole and not just some
aspects of it.
On that basis, he concludes that a true
philosopher (lover of wisdom) must
desire wisdom as a whole and not be
content with having just some wisdom.
Do you agree with this?
Do wine-lovers really love all wines?
A true philosopher
recognizes the difference between particular things and
the essences (or forms) of which particular things are
likenesses (e.g., beautiful things vs. Beauty itself).
One of Plato’s major metaphysical theories is known as the
“Theory of Forms.” According to that theory, ultimate
reality is a realm of forms (essences) not accessible to the
senses but only to the mind (intellect). He calls that level
of reality the “intelligible realm” (because it is accessible
only to the intellect). The perceptible world (i.e., the world
we perceive through our senses) is a reflection or copy of
that higher intelligible world.
(The Greek word for “form” or “essence” is eidos.)
Do you think it is possible for one thing to
be really more beautiful than another
thing?
Well, how is that possible if Absolute
Beauty does not exist? How can “A”
be more beautiful than “B”? Doesn’t
“A” have to be closer to Absolute
Beauty than “B” is? But how can “A”
be closer to (or “B” be further away
from) Absolute Beauty if Absolute
Beauty does not exist?
A true philosopher knows the
differences between
 Knowledge,
 ignorance, &
 opinion.
Plato’s view of knowledge, ignorance,
and opinion (Text, pp. 109-111)
State of Mind
Object
Access
Knowledge
is
Reality)
What
Intellect
(Being,
Opinion
not
Ignorance
?
What is & is
Perception
(Becoming)
What is not
(Nothingness,
Unreality)
(Do you agree with this setup/theory?)
Is Plato right about
knowledge, ignorance, and opinion?
Here’s a different view….
What about knowledge?
The three basic questions in epistemology

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What is knowledge? How does it differ from
opinion?
How do we acquire knowledge? What are its
sources? Rationalism vs. Empiricism. (What
about Intuitionism and Revelationism?)

What are the extent and limits of knowledge?
What can be known, and what cannot be
known?
A (fairly) standard definition of
knowledge (and opinion)

Knowledge is "justified (i.e., verified) true belief."
• To know is to believe.
• The belief must, in fact, be true.
• The belief must be "justified" (i.e., verified, proved) by
some standard and generally recognized means.

Opinion is belief that may be true or may be false
but that has not been or cannot be "justified" (i.e.,
verified, proved) by any standard and generally
recognized means.
Of course, some opinions that are
rationally defensible in the weak sense
are “justified” in a limited way.
And what about ignorance?
Isn’t ignorance basically an absence of knowledge?
 Of course, opinion is also an absence of knowledge. So perhaps
ignorance is a certain or special kind of opinion that is in some
sense groundless (in a way based on nothing, as Plato says).
 There seem to be various types of ignorance, including
unintelligent ignorance, as when someone asserts dogmatically
that a false proposition is true or that a true proposition is false.
There is also intelligent ignorance, as when someone does not
know X and acknowledges forthrightly that he does not know it,
etc. More thought is needed on this matter….
 However, Plato’s view of ignorance as having non-being
(nothingness) as its object does not seem correct (or at least not
completely correct).
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Lovers of wisdom
(philosophers) -- they
recognize the existence of
absolute, transcendental
essences such as Beauty &
Justice in themselves, and
they seek knowledge of
such absolutes.
Lovers of opinion -- they
recognize only particular
perceptible things & do
not believe in the
existence of absolute
essences such as Beauty
itself.
So what is the nature of the Absolute Good?
(Text, p. 112-113)
In approaching the problem of defining the nature of
the Absolute Good, Socrates (Plato) sets forth three
very famous illustrations of his overall perspective
on knowledge & reality. These are
I
The Good & the Sun
The Good is to the mind as the sun
is to the eye, i.e., just as the sun’s
light enables the eye to see in the
perceptible realm, so the Good
illuminates the mind and enables it
to “see” in the intelligible realm.
(See text, pp. 113-115)
2
The divided
line
(Text, pp. 115-118)
States of Consciousness
E
Philosophical
Wisdom
Knowledge
The Good &
Other Forms
Intelligible
Realm
D
Mathematical &
Scientific Objects
Scientific
Knowledge
Opinion
Objects of Consciousness
Informed
Opinion
C
B
Delusion
A
Perceptible
Objects
Images
Perceptible
Realm
(Text, pp. 118-123)
Can you link the images
on the following slide to
Plato’s depiction of the
cave world on pp. 118-121
in the text?
Now that the prisoner has “seen
the light,”
 What
might happen to him if he were to go
back down into the cave-world? (pp. 119-121)
 How does he feel when he looks back down
into the cave-world? (pp. 119)
 How does the allegory of the cave illustrate
Plato’s overall view of knowledge and
reality? (p. 121)
More questions:
 What’s
the philosophical difference
between coming into the darkness
from the light & coming into the light
from the darkness? (p. 121)
 What, according to Plato, does the
allegory of the cave tell us about what
the process of education should be?
(pp. 121-122)
there are the big questions:
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Why should we want philosophers to rule?
How are we going to get them to rule?
Since we are asking them to come back
down into the cave-world, won’t we be
doing them harm by making their lives
worse rather than better?
(Text, pp. 122-123)
What do you think of the following
statements by Plato (Socrates)?

“The best rulers of the state are those who
know the Good, who don’t look to politics
for their happiness, & who live a higher life
than the political life.”

“Political power should be held by those
who do not want it.”
The End
(for now)