Transcript Christianity/Darwin compatability

Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
The LORD is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
Isaiah 40:28
Psalm 19:1-4
For the director of music. A psalm of David.
Romans 1:18-20
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the revealed
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and wickedness
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goes out into
the earth,
so that men are without excuse.
their words to the ends of the world.
Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
philosophy/theory
seeks to silence nature’s
The Evolutionary
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Isaiah 40:28
The importance of God as direct Creator
There is a design.
Definition – a static base of understanding
Who am I?
The importance of God as direct Creator
There is a design.
Definition
Purpose
Why am I here?
The importance of God as direct Creator
There is a design.
Definition
Purpose
Morality (“Ought”)
How should we behave?
(Who makes the rules?)
The importance of God as direct Creator
There is a design.
Definition
Purpose
Morality (“Ought”)
Interdependence
What is my part?
(How does this fit together?)
The importance of God as direct Creator
There is a design.
Definition
Purpose
Morality (“Ought”)
Interdependence
Everything/one has value.
The importance of God as direct Creator
There is a design.
Definition
Purpose
Morality (“Ought”)
Interdependence
Everything/one has value.
We are accountable to him.
Theism vs Deism
The importance of God as direct Creator
Are we the product of mindless chance
over time? Is there meaning or value?
Apart from a Creator, the answer is “No.”
The existentialist . . . thinks it very distressing that God does not
exist, because all possibility of finding values in a heaven of ideas
disappears along with him; since there can no longer be as apriori
Good, since there is no infinite and perfect consciousness to think it.
No where is it written that the Good exists, that we must be
honest, that we must no lie; because the fact is that we are on a
plane where there only men. Dostoievsky said, "If God didn't exist,
everything would be possible." That is the very starting point of
existentialism. Indeed, everything is permissible if God does not
exist, and as a result, man is forlorn, because neither within him
nor without does he find anything to cling to, he can't start
making excuses for himself . . . if God does not exist, we find no
values of
or commands to turn to legitimize our conduct . . .”
~ Jean Paul Sartre
The existentialist . . . thinks it very distressing that God does not
exist, because all possibility of finding values in a heaven of ideas
disappears along with him; since there can no longer be as apriori
Good, since there is no infinite and perfect consciousness to think it.
No where is it written that the Good exists, that we must be
honest, that we must no lie; because the fact is that we are on a
plane where there only men. Dostoievsky said, "If God didn't exist,
everything would be possible." That is the very starting point of
existentialism. Indeed, everything is permissible if God does not
exist, and as a result, man is forlorn, because neither within him
nor without does he find anything to cling to, he can't start
making excuses for himself . . . if God does not exist, we find no
values of
or commands to turn to legitimize our conduct . . .”
~ Jean Paul Sartre
The existentialist . . . thinks it very distressing that God does not
exist, because all possibility of finding values in a heaven of ideas
disappears along with him; since there can no longer be as apriori
Good, since there is no infinite and perfect consciousness to think it.
No where is it written that the Good exists, that we must be
honest, that we must no lie; because the fact is that we are on a
plane where there only men. Dostoievsky said, "If God didn't exist,
everything would be possible." That is the very starting point of
existentialism. Indeed, everything is permissible if God does not
exist, and as a result, man is forlorn, because neither within him
nor without does he find anything to cling to, he can't start
making excuses for himself . . . if God does not exist, we find no
values or commands to turn to legitimize our conduct . . .”
~ Jean Paul Sartre
The existentialist . . . thinks it very distressing that God does not
exist, because all possibility of finding values in a heaven of ideas
disappears along with him; since there can no longer be as apriori
Good, since there is no infinite and perfect consciousness to think it.
No where is it written that the Good exists, that we must be
honest, that we must no lie; because the fact is that we are on a
plane where there only men. Dostoievsky said, "If God didn't exist,
everything would be possible." That is the very starting point of
existentialism. Indeed, everything is permissible if God does not
exist, and as a result, man is forlorn, because neither within him
nor without does he find anything to cling to, he can't start
making excuses for himself . . . if God does not exist, we find no
values or commands to turn to legitimize our conduct . . .”
~ Jean Paul Sartre
The existentialist . . . thinks it very distressing that God does not
exist, because all possibility of finding values in a heaven of ideas
disappears along with him; since there can no longer be as apriori
Good, since there is no infinite and perfect consciousness to think it.
No where is it written that the Good exists, that we must be
honest, that we must no lie; because the fact is that we are on a
plane where there only men. Dostoievsky said, "If God didn't exist,
everything would be possible." That is the very starting point of
existentialism. Indeed, everything is permissible if God does not
exist, and as a result, man is forlorn, because neither within him
nor without does he find anything to cling to, he can't start
making excuses for himself . . . if God does not exist, we find no
values or commands to turn to legitimize our conduct . . .”
~ Jean Paul Sartre
The importance of God as direct Creator
Are we the product of mindless chance
over time? Is there meaning or value?
Are we are accountable to anyone/thing?
(Who/what makes the rules?)
Invictus ~ William Earnest Hensley
Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.
In the fell clutch of circumstance
I have not winced nor cried aloud.
Under the bludgeonings of chance
My head is bloody, but unbowed.
Beyond this place of wrath and tears
Looms but the Horror of the shade,
And yet the menace of the years
Finds and shall find me unafraid.
It matters not how strait the gate,
How charged with punishments the scroll,
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
The importance of God as direct Creator
Are we the product of mindless chance
over time? Is there meaning or value?
Are we are accountable to anyone/thing?
(Who/what makes the rules?)
Is morality possible?
In an Evolutionary construct, humans can
be neither good nor evil, as these terms
have no meaning apart from a g/God.
{Dawkins} then turns to the subject of
morality, maintaining that we do not need
religion to be good.
“Good” requires an external source
to determine its nature. Without
an external static source, “Good”
becomes a flexible concept without
meaning.
“It is written . . . ”
Link to Wikipedia article
{Dawkins} then turns to the subject of
morality, maintaining that we do not need
religion to be good. Instead, our morality
has a Darwinian explanation: altruistic
genes, selected through the process of
evolution, give people natural empathy.
Note: Then are all mindsets genetically
based?
We therefore are not responsible for
our behavior. Is punishment just?
Romans 1:18-20; 2:14-15
We hold that morality is innate, not
genetic but implanted but God.
Of the genes or of the soul?
Link to Wikipedia article
{Dawkins} then turns to the subject of
morality, maintaining that we do not need
religion to be good. Instead, our morality
has a Darwinian explanation: altruistic
genes, selected through the process of
evolution, give people natural empathy.
He asks, "would you commit murder, rape
or robbery if you knew that no God
existed?“ He argues that very few people
would answer "yes", undermining the claim
that religion is needed to make us behave
morally.
Romans 1:18-20; 2:14-15
If base morality is “written on their hearts”,
then we would expect this to be true.
One cannot assume that murder, rape and
robbery are wrong without a static point of
reference.
Link to Wikipedia article
{Dawkins} then turns to the subject of
morality, maintaining that we do not need
religion to be good. Instead, our morality
has a Darwinian explanation: altruistic
genes, selected through the process of
evolution, give people natural empathy.
He asks, "would you commit murder, rape
or robbery if you knew that no God
existed?“ He argues that very few people
would answer "yes", undermining the claim
that religion is needed to make us behave
morally.
Romans 1:18-20; 2:14-15
A better question would be:
Would you commit murder, rape or
robbery if you knew that you could
get away with it?
Link to Wikipedia article
{Dawkins} then turns to the subject of
morality, maintaining that we do not need
religion to be good. Instead, our morality
has a Darwinian explanation: altruistic
genes, selected through the process of
evolution, give people natural empathy.
He asks, "would you commit murder, rape
or robbery if you knew that no God
existed?“ He argues that very few people
would answer "yes", undermining the claim
that religion is needed to make us behave
morally. In support of this view, he surveys
the history of morality, arguing that there is
a moral Zeitgeist that continually evolves in
society, generally progressing toward
liberalism.
Liberalism is viewed as ideal, yet he totally
ignores the horrors of the 20th Century. The
Soviet and Nazi Zeitgeists led to great evil.
(“Evil” presupposes and external morality.)
The French
Revolution.
Link to Wikipedia article
{Dawkins} then turns to the subject of
morality, maintaining that we do not need
religion to be good. Instead, our morality
has a Darwinian explanation: altruistic
genes, selected through the process of
evolution, give people natural empathy.
He asks, "would you commit murder, rape
or robbery if you knew that no God
existed?“ He argues that very few people
would answer "yes", undermining the claim
that religion is needed to make us behave
morally. In support of this view, he surveys
the history of morality, arguing that there is
a moral Zeitgeist that continually evolves in
society, generally progressing toward
liberalism. As it progresses, this moral
consensus influences how religious leaders
interpret their holy writings. Thus, Dawkins
states, morality does not originate from the
Bible, rather our moral progress informs
what part of the Bible Christians accept
and what they now dismiss.
Link to Wikipedia article
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consensus influences how religious leaders
interpret their holy writings. Thus, Dawkins
states, morality does not originate from the
Bible, rather our moral progress informs
what part of the Bible Christians accept
and what they now dismiss.
Link to Wikipedia article
The importance of Scripture.
(Is the Bible to be taken seriously?)
Genesis 1:1 ~ the Big Bang (Instant creation)
Genesis 1:2 – 2:2 ~ Explosion of life
Job 38-41 ~ God takes full credit for and delights in
his creation.
Isaiah 40:21-26 ~ Does God have an equal?
Isaiah 42:5-7 ~ “As sure as I made all this . . .”
Basic presupposition of the text.
If this base idea is false, then the entire work
has no foundation and should be disregarded.
The importance of Scripture.
(Is the Bible to be taken seriously?)
Matthew
Romans
Colossians
John
Luke
1:1-3
Revelation
11:50-51
1:24-25
13:18-19
1:15-16 4:11
Matthew
19:4-6
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Are humans accountable to anyone?
(Who/what makes the rules?)
Apart from g/God, there is no true accountability
for our conduct, as there is no one to whom we are
ultimately accountable.
Are humans accountable to anyone?
(Who/what makes the rules?)
Revelation 20:11-15
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were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the
second death. If anyone’s name was not found written
in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Do we need salvation?
Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one
man, and death through sin, and in this way death came
to all men, because all sinned.
John 3:16-18
“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and
only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish
but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into
the world to condemn the world, but to save the world
through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned,
but whoever does not believe stands condemned already
because he has not believed in the name of God’s one
and only Son.
There is a design
There is a plan
You have innate value
Morality is fixed
You are accountable
Salvation is needed
“Design” evolves
“Plan” by selection
You are a clam
Morality subjective
No accountability
Non-sense
Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
The LORD is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
Isaiah 40:28